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This ------------------------------------------ is a line.
We can't see it.
But you must be aware when you cross it. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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My name.... this is also a matter. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Remiel Pollard wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:IIshira wrote: I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...
If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned. Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest. Mr Epeen  Sure. Let me know when you've been doxed and had your family threatened by players in the game, and CCP does nothing about it. I get what you're saying, I do, but the inconsistency is undeniable when you've experienced it first hand. I even put up the evidence of it for people to see and was dismissed as 'crying'. I assure you, I never cried a tear. The people responsible had a little visit from the police and, unfortunately, the rest is subject to a nondisclosure agreement, but I can tell you this much - the police gave me some information that will allow me to hold CCP fully accountable to the law should it ever happen again based on their own decisions in policy management so far. So I'm not crying. I'm hoping I don't get doxed again but, there's also a small part of me that hopes I do. I love EVE, and I love CCP too. I love them so much that I just can't allow them to fall for the trap of double standards.
I was told by a miner that was popped that he would find me, enter my house with a rifle and then shoot me in the head. FYI, it was a Ret under 30M. So yeah, knives cut both ways. (Oh he also threatened any and all immediate family) So my point of this is, people say a lot of things, but trying to group everyone together as on aspect is just wrong. I like to eat pie, cake is tolerable. But you don't see me trying to remove ice cream. Once I rode a pony. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Mike Azariah wrote:Clara Pond wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield' Do you think it's a problem that The Mittani got away with a one month ban for inciting widespread RL harassment, or that botters get multiple warnings, while these people are getting zero warning permabans for crossing an invisible line? Why, in the face of such subjective and ill-defined offences, are zero-warning permabans justified? Sorry I tried to keep your analogy going, but it doesn't really apply because the whole world is a minefield, but the mines only exist when people get upset. Understand that CSM have next to nothing to do with enforcement and punishment so any opinions I have about various bans are just that, MY opinions. If Mittens pulled that today? Yeah, gone, no deposit, no return. They have, recently, shortened the chain and strikes for botters. Again, I have little tolerance for such and so have no problem shortening that leash even more. But that is a different department in CCP, I think. So I guess that means that the current bans are consistent with my model. And the whole world IS a minefield. The Real World has more laws than any lawyer can keep track of. More mistakes that you can make than anybody can track. So you avoid the big obvious ones that have signs on them. Take your chances with the rest. Falcon has been fairly steady and consistent. Cross lines, BOOM. I notice you didn't mention any lottery sites so I won't either. m
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone, We would like to remind the EVE community of our stance regarding the usage of EVE Online and assets, characters and items from within the game environment as leverage for the purpose of real life harassment. As outlined in our previous announcement, this type of behavior lies in clear breach of our End User License Agreement, and as such we have a zero tolerance approach when dealing with these cases. Our stance regarding this type of behavior has not changed since the last announcement, and any individuals who are found to be engaging in such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against their game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service. - F
Regarding the current situation can we discuss privately (Assuming this would be the smartest choice) the issue about prizes for a current contest that was in process of being transferred to a third party. I am are more than willing to follow through with said player added content however recent actions have reduced the value added experience. I realize that this would be a long shot, but even just attempting to proactively recover said contest deliverables would at least help enthrall the community with the completion of added content. I am more than willing to sit down and have a discussion about this on CCP time, assuming that it would be prior to the conclusion of said contest. Regardless, I am sorry I made a discussion about changing your hair. I think you need to increase the hue, change the shade, and make it a little bit more vivid. Less than Three. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:flower pot wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. so what you are saying is you-¦re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you-¦re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn? That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of. Sure. It's like a strip bar. You know what you're running and you know that while most customers are fine there's going to be a lot of creepers and pervs in the mix. It's too much hassle to sort out at the door so you just let them all in. When the pervs start whipping it out or saying disgusting things and upsetting the girls, then the bouncer comes over and throws them out. Or maybe not, maybe the perv is actually a celebrity or something, maybe he's just got one of those faces that fit, then you tell the girls to go back and and cool down and forget what happened. The difference is the guy who owns the strip club knows (or at least, admits) what he's doing. If he really had a problem with the girls being harassed, well, why doesn't he just shut the place down and open a tea shop or something.
This is completely wrong! I have found out that going to a venue as you have mentioned with a score card and judging said performances such as an Olympic gymnastic event... is frowned on. (I am sorry Cherry, you didn't hit the landing, so it's just a 7.3)
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Mira Robinson wrote:Oh, I can't wait for the Minerbumping entry on this.
It's gonna be delicious.
It's gonna be all "grrrr emergent gameplay" and "grrr content creators".
I know! It would be horrible for subscribers of this game to engage in and add content outside of what CCP wants! I mean just think of what would happen if... wait. Hold one. Phone.
Yeah. There is? No really? I posted there? On these forums? GET OUT! In Game Content! REALLY! WOW! Oh yeah! Thanks! Tell her thanks, I like the muffins. Sure thing. Ok. At eight, I can do that. I need to pick up my dry cleaning.
Sorry the forums called and I had to take it. So to conclude, I am just stating that everyone hates loosing a ship... but it's part of EVE. The question REALLY is, what should I wear at 8? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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flower pot wrote: I QUOTED STUFF
so what you are saying is you-¦re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you-¦re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn? That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of.[/quote]
Sure.
It's like a strip bar. You know what you're running and you know that while most customers are fine there's going to be a lot of creepers and pervs in the mix. It's too much hassle to sort out at the door so you just let them all in. When the pervs start whipping it out or saying disgusting things and upsetting the girls, then the bouncer comes over and throws them out. Or maybe not, maybe the perv is actually a celebrity or something, maybe he's just got one of those faces that fit, then you tell the girls to go back and and cool down and forget what happened.
The difference is the guy who owns the strip club knows (or at least, admits) what he's doing. If he really had a problem with the girls being harassed, well, why doesn't he just shut the place down and open a tea shop or something.[/quote]
This is completely wrong! I have found out that going to a venue as you have mentioned with a score card and judging said performances such as an Olympic gymnastic event... is frowned on. (I am sorry Cherry, you didn't hit the landing, so it's just a 7.3) [/quote]
so what you are saying let ppl do the "crime" that isn-¦t even clear what it is and then handle/deal with it? why not just have a clear rule and ppl that don-¦t like the rule can go and play something else[/quote]
I am just stating that if there isn't a clear line of said 'crime' then there is no clear nor present danger (had to slip this in sorry) So due to the vagueness of this definition, because I lost a ship I flew that I could not afford to fly/replace, it hurt me. Hence out of game harassment. So I guess we need to ask everyone from now on if they are able to afford the ship/pod/POS/Mod that is being used before engaging in the spaceship shooting of said spaceships. I'd had to cause someone some loss sleep because they lost a faction fit T3 or an incursion ship.
Now as to define as you stated the 'crime' yes. Even something as a clarification instead of this generic 'THE FLOOR IS LAVA!' phrasing that is currently being use would be fantastic. This case by case basis I feel might end up being a little biased. While yes, there will always be grey areas, there needs to be at least some semblance of the line drawn, rather than just stating that there is a line. And make sure you don't scuff said line, touch said line, look at said line, or cross said line. Because even if you can't see said line, said line can affect you. And on a case by case basis, said line can be moved.
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evepal wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:evepal wrote:I will donate 100,000,000 ISK to the first person that can present a reasonable argument here, that doesn't contain at least one logical fallacy. Reasonable is at my own discretion, because I can do that, and it's a term well used in legal precedent and business practice. Because. (This appears to work for CCP so please deposit into my account ASAP) Sorry, can't, contains a logical fallacy.
But... but... If there is a line that isn't able to be seen... then then... BECAUSE! I Say, because! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Remiel Pollard wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Actions you take, and things said in game can and DO sometimes have consequences in the real world, don't ever doubt it.
I look on games like this as a form of social media.
Over the last 12/18 months here in the UK there have been some really high profile cases of CHILDREN committing suicide after being bullied and harassed via social media.
I just hope to god it never happens here...
But this morning I banned a certain players posts after he/she posted twice practically gloating over one of his favorite pastimes in the game. Driving players from the game. Multiple times, with the excuse that they would have left anyway..bollocks.
I doubt anyone is going to leave over losing a nub ship so in my mind it would only be achieved by persistent harassment and bullying.
How his posts haven't been taken down and him handed a warning by now over it I have no idea, his whole gloating posts want to make me throw up.
Anyone on here got kids, grandkids? Ever seen them come home in tears after being constantly bullied at school?
Bullying is a ******* disease as bad as cancer and it has to be stopped, and not just out there in the real world.
Before anyone even thinks about pulling me up over the cancer comparison, I have lost 5 family members to that vile disease, watching them wither away is close to being as bad as watching someone crumble from the inside due to bullying.
Adults succomb to it as well, hell bullying in the workplace is gross misconduct in any company with a possible outcome of instant dismissal, why should what happens in here be any different?
Game mechanics should never, ever excuse this type of behaviour in any form.
How ******* dare you trivialise the very real effects of actual, real life bullying, the ones that cause things like actual PTSD (not the kind that you find being self-subscribed on tumblr), to what goes on in this game. How ******* dare you. I'll bet that you've never experienced a lick of real bullying in your precious little entitled life and after what you just said, I won't believe your claims to the contrary should you make any.
This... just this. I have a few friends who suffer from PTSD, one of which explains it as and I quote "A fifty cal & Iraq, so bad" I haven't asked more. Sure, **** sucks in life, things are horrible all over. It's life. But attempting to compare anything that PC-Pirates do in EVE to this is a shot below the belt. (If proof needed regarding friends and PTSD contact in game and I can provide MOS & as well as assistance for anyone else out there needing help via VA contacts.) The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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Remiel Pollard wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:evepal wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:evepal wrote:I will donate 100,000,000 ISK to the first person that can present a reasonable argument here, that doesn't contain at least one logical fallacy. Reasonable is at my own discretion, because I can do that, and it's a term well used in legal precedent and business practice. Because. (This appears to work for CCP so please deposit into my account ASAP) Sorry, can't, contains a logical fallacy. But... but... If there is a line that isn't able to be seen... then then... BECAUSE! I Say, because! Because turtles?
I built a turtle fence. Able to use this! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Black Pedro wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:CCP,
Explain how people who showed up to Teamspeak to receive contracts of assets (and didn't participate in all the "pageantry" that got E1 banned) is harassment? Those people did nothing more than receive assets like any other isk doubler/scammer. Furthermore, what constitutes Teamspeak to be real life? Especially since the victim showed up to someone else's teamspeak and could've left it at any time?
I had nothing to do with the whole ordeal but it smells awful fishy. Indeed. At a distance all this uncertainty as to which rules were broken and by who is quite unsettling. I understand that CCP has the authority and even responsibility to decide who gets to play their game, but this lack of clarity on which lines were crossed is taking away some of my enthusiasm for the game. This commentary from Erotica 1 on these recent bans is floating around if anyone is interested: https://imgur.com/EtfsmXj
The real question is.... The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Quote:We're CCP! We march on fearlessly! Excellent is what we strive to be! If you're going to follow us to the top HARDEN THE **** UP! via CCP The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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CCP can you please do this for your next act? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Thine eyes I love, and they, as pitying me, Knowing thy heart torment me with disdain, Have put on black, and loving mourners be, Looking with pretty ruth upon my pain. And truly not the morning sun of heaven Better becomes the grey cheeks of the east, Nor that full star that ushers in the even Doth half that glory to the sober west As those two mourning eyes become thy face. O let it then as well beseem thy heart To mourn for me, since mourning doth thee grace, And suit thy pity like in every part. Then will I swear beauty herself is black, And all they foul that thy complexion lack. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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S'No Flake wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote: I was told by a miner that was popped that he would find me, enter my house with a rifle and then shoot me in the head. FYI, it was a Ret under 30M. So yeah, knives cut both ways. (Oh he also threatened any and all immediate family) So my point of this is, people say a lot of things, but trying to group everyone together as on aspect is just wrong. I like to eat pie, cake is tolerable. But you don't see me trying to remove ice cream. Once I rode a pony.
Then you should understand why CCP doesn't draw a line and leave it as is. This way they can hand some temp bans to some people and not permaban everyone :D
And I guess this is why I am glad that my building has an armed doorman. I mean, heaven forbid that people steal pixels to get banned rather than something that would involve physical in life violent threats. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Tora Bushido wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. Thats probably why Eve has these issues. If you have rules, they should be clear to everyone. Ignoring this wont fix the big problem. Unclear rules give random actions.
Could not sum this up better. We don't want a line drawn, we just need to know what definition of said line is. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Clara Pond wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You are no humans and I am deeply ashamed that you people are allowed to be here. So we are people, but not humans? Also, you're triggering me with your abusive speciesism. Please stop. I find it harassing.
The forums harass me out of game and I feel it is a real life form of harassment. I think they should be shut down and anyone (including myself) needs to be permabanned due to this. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life? Some people manage to victimize themselves walking to their car in the morning. But fear not, CCP will protect those people by banning everyone who so much as looks as those special snowflakes funny.
CCP cares about each and every snowflake... you can tell because of my name. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Arec Bardwin wrote:Is it too late to jump on the banned wagon?
Not at all. In fact I am about to draw the line the CCP has not so you'll sadly be missing since you're above it. However a post/reply below said line will result in your request.
THIS IS THE LINE. DO NOT CROSS IT! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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Crumplecorn wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Are we supposed to believe CCP because reasons?
Yes. No. Maybe. Perchance. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Shoot everything. If there happens to be a player who sheds tears behind the screen, all the better.
But if I loose a ship and I am upset about it in the Real Life... you have harassed me. So then you've crossed this line that is there but no one knows where. Because I lost and you won, I feel I was harassed. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Something I was going to post however I figured that it would result in some fancy slanty text and an ISD tag. (And no this was not a personal attack, it's just you know vague to know, you know?) So I just figured I'd write this. Keep your hands up, don't put them down. DJ Turn up that song! We'll dance until sun comes up! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?
There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen  so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?
From my understanding you can be racist as long as you are in faction warfare. (Clearly restrictions apply regarding this due to EVE lore.) The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |

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Mallak Azaria wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.
Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working? Yeah, your brain doesn't work according to guy who has spent 10 years shooting at red crosses. You see my first time experience with EVE was rather simple. It was just me, a couple other people who I know in real life that got me into this game. Nothing huge, I just figured it was something nice during that strange transitional time between EQ & WoW (I miss one of those guess which one) So I played it, and then realized I loved it. I could do maths, preps the skills. Have all types of fun! So what ended up happening is that we would chill out, just maxing our relaxation; all cool. I'd even shoot some b-ball outside of the school. When a couple of guys who were up to no good, Started making trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared. She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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